Comments on: Building public spaces online http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/ because it alliterates, and some blogs are journalism Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:27:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Si http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-16401 Si Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:52:37 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-16401 Great article Bill. I've been concerned about Myspace since Murdoch bought it, but - like so many other people - use it because everyone else does. (It's the same with eBay.) I don't really think regulation is the answer, but if any offline business had the sort of market share that Myspace has then our governments would certainly be interested.The "unauthorised commercial transactions..." clause is interesting as they don't seem to define it. I know many bands that promote gigs , selling tickets through Myspace, I'm sure if News Corp wanted that could easily become an "unauthorised commercial transactions". Keep telling it like it is, Bill. ~Si PS Cheers Ralph, not sure if you came up with the term, but I'll be calling it Murdochspace from now on.... just off to see if I can grab the domain name! Great article Bill. I’ve been concerned about Myspace since Murdoch bought it, but – like so many other people – use it because everyone else does. (It’s the same with eBay.) I don’t really think regulation is the answer, but if any offline business had the sort of market share that Myspace has then our governments would certainly be interested.The “unauthorised commercial transactions…” clause is interesting as they don’t seem to define it. I know many bands that promote gigs , selling tickets through Myspace, I’m sure if News Corp wanted that could easily become an “unauthorised commercial transactions”. Keep telling it like it is, Bill. ~Si PS Cheers Ralph, not sure if you came up with the term, but I’ll be calling it Murdochspace from now on…. just off to see if I can grab the domain name!

]]> By: David Evans http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-16324 David Evans Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:33:11 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-16324 I like the idea of a community spaces based on the same principles of open source. As one comment already mentions, Wikipedia is a good example. However, there is nothing to stop people making a living out of running a public space either, it just can't be the primary concern. Charities still employ people. So Bill, what do you think should be done about it? Collect together some like-minded individuals to compete with MySpace and/or YouTube? I feel I need some kind of concrete suggestion in order to receive closure :-) I like the idea of a community spaces based on the same principles of open source. As one comment already mentions, Wikipedia is a good example. However, there is nothing to stop people making a living out of running a public space either, it just can’t be the primary concern. Charities still employ people.

So Bill, what do you think should be done about it? Collect together some like-minded individuals to compete with MySpace and/or YouTube? I feel I need some kind of concrete suggestion in order to receive closure :-)

]]> By: Ralph http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-15771 Ralph Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:39:02 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-15771 Its not mySpace, its not even herSpace, its MurdochsSpace and quite frankly he can do whatever he wants with it. If she wants to make money off the web, I am sure there are 100s of companies that will take her money in exchange for selling songs, or whatever she wants to do online with no strings attached. The less of the web we try to shoehorn into myspace profiles the better. -Ralph Its not mySpace, its not even herSpace, its MurdochsSpace and quite frankly he can do whatever he wants with it. If she wants to make money off the web, I am sure there are 100s of companies that will take her money in exchange for selling songs, or whatever she wants to do online with no strings attached. The less of the web we try to shoehorn into myspace profiles the better.

-Ralph

]]> By: Alan Addison http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-15758 Alan Addison Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:49:30 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-15758 Well, there is the Wikipedia Foundation which does provide an space on the internet free of any commercial concerns. And in fact Ms. Tequila has her own pages on it. But, if she tried to add the Hooka link to that page then I would take much pleasure in removing it. So, even non commercial web spaces don't solve the problem. Ms. Tequila should just buy some webspace, ensuring that its T&C allows her to link to who she wants. Well, there is the Wikipedia Foundation which does provide an space on the internet free of any commercial concerns.

And in fact Ms. Tequila has her own pages on it. But, if she tried to add the Hooka link to that page then I would take much pleasure in removing it.

So, even non commercial web spaces don’t solve the problem. Ms. Tequila should just buy some webspace, ensuring that its T&C allows her to link to who she wants.

]]> By: Bobbi Style http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-15563 Bobbi Style Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:10:36 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-15563 Hi Bill And also to add insult to injury, it's a "US only" sales service. I am a Brit living in Canada, with a myspace account at http://www.myspace.com/bobbistyle and I tried to sign with Snocap and couldn't via their form as the address system is US only. I enquired via email to their support if there was any way to sign from Canada and here's their reply: Hi Bobbi, Thanks for contacting us. We would love for you to sign up, and we would love to help you sell your tracks digitally. At this time, our registry is only available to US Citizens, but if you happen to have a US-issued Credit Card that has a billing address in the United States, you will be able to sign up. However, we do not currently have the capability to sell tracks outside the US, so if your audience is mainly based outside the US, you may not find us to be your ideal solution. Also, we will eventually need a US bank account in order to pay you for your sales. If this doesn’t work for you at this time, we do hope to expand internationally in the future, and hopefully you'll check us out again at that point. SNOCAP Customer Care support@snocap.com www.snocap.com Anyway, like your article, lets hope they read it too. Regards Bobbi Style Hi Bill

And also to add insult to injury, it’s a “US only” sales service. I am a Brit living in Canada, with a myspace account at http://www.myspace.com/bobbistyle and I tried to sign with Snocap and couldn’t via their form as the address system is US only. I enquired via email to their support if there was any way to sign from Canada and here’s their reply:

Hi Bobbi,

Thanks for contacting us. We would love for you to sign up, and we would love to help you sell your tracks digitally. At this time, our registry is only available to US Citizens, but if you happen to have a US-issued Credit Card that has a billing address in the United States, you will be able to sign up. However, we do not currently have the capability to sell tracks outside the US, so if your audience is mainly based outside the US, you may not find us to be your ideal solution. Also, we will eventually need a US bank account in order to pay you for your sales.

If this doesn’t work for you at this time, we do hope to expand internationally in the future, and hopefully you’ll check us out again at that point.

SNOCAP Customer Care
support@snocap.com
http://www.snocap.com

Anyway, like your article, lets hope they read it too.
Regards
Bobbi Style

]]> By: Robert http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/comment-page-1/#comment-15493 Robert Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:53:43 +0000 http://www.thebillblog.com/billblog/index.php/2007/03/27/building-public-spaces-online/#comment-15493 Interesting and plainly right, all the entities you quite rightly state are in it for the money. However I feel the development of a "public" place would always be hampered by litigation, ultimately a court somewhere would have the "sponsors" of this public place responsible and therefore liable for any defamatory or otherwise remarks made on it. Something which human nature dictates is going to happen at some point. Interesting and plainly right, all the entities you quite rightly state are in it for the money. However I feel the development of a “public” place would always be hampered by litigation, ultimately a court somewhere would have the “sponsors” of this public place responsible and therefore liable for any defamatory or otherwise remarks made on it. Something which human nature dictates is going to happen at some point.

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